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#1 by Search111add on October 12th, 2010
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@WeedaPeople You say that QM’s job is “just” to assure quality. Without them your car might randomly break down or your child’s toy might be poisonous.
Have any other proof that the government is good at wasting and abusing power?
#2 by Search111add on October 12th, 2010
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@WeedaPeople If you would bother to do some research you would find that I in fact do know what I am talking about when talking about corruption. Also, I have created zero jobs because I am a student.
#3 by Search111add on October 12th, 2010
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@WeedaPeople I never said that people have no ability to provide for themselves. Contradictory, I actually build my ideology from that. Without people who can provide for themselves, there would be no people to tax. And besides, statistics show that very few people would choose living off the state over getting a real job. Helping them when they have gone down the wrong path is a good thing.
#4 by WeedaPeople on October 13th, 2010
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arch: You are assuming a lot when you prejudge people not to have the ability to do for themselves. If you continually hand out to people on the street with cardboard signs, they continue to be on the street with the cardboard signs, because being there with a hand out is easier than working for a living. Just because they are there does not mean they have no ability to provide for themselves.
#5 by WeedaPeople on October 13th, 2010
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arch: You have no idea what you are talking about. How many jobs have you created lately?
#6 by WeedaPeople on October 13th, 2010
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gots: When you punnish wealth, you create less jobs, because people who make money can not make any more by employing more people, so they conserve and get the people who are already employed to do more with less.
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Excessive taxation always has the reverse effect of that which is desired, because less revenues come from people not spending. Punnish wealth and everyone suffers when the punnishment trickles downward.
#7 by WeedaPeople on October 13th, 2010
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arch: You do not understand the American Government at all. They do not spend money better in any regard. The waste and abuse in the Federal Government would blow your mind. Do you know what QM is? QM is “Quality Management”, which means some peoples jobs (High paying jobs) are just to “Assure Quality” in processes, and often there are not processes in place to assure. It is eye wash to make someone seem important and like they are doing something.
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What is “good” is extremely subjective.
#8 by Search111add on October 13th, 2010
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@ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz After doing some more reasearch (which you might also want to do) I found that the statistics I looked at were from 2005. A report from 2009 places Finland as the 5th and the UK as the 16th.
It is true that it is hard to measure corruption, but if you go to Transparency International’s homepage and read their FAQ on their Corruption Perceptions Index (which is the list of countries from least corrupt to most corrupt), they explain well what they base their evaluations on.
#9 by ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz on October 13th, 2010
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@Search111add that study im almost certain measured corruption perceived by the public not actual corruption, how can you measure actual corruption anyway? when i say corrupt by the way im not saying like, running a huge criminal operation, i mean the gravy train, giving out a little grant here and there, raking in the money through things like expenses, tweaking laws to benefit big business who then give them a big party donation, things like that which are so widespread.
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#11 by Search111add on October 13th, 2010
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@ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz And for the corruption part, the corruption rate of western government isn’t as high as you might think. For example based on Transparency Internationals studies, Finland is sharing the second least corrupted place in the world with New Zealand and the UK sharing 11th place with the Netherlands. And the US sitting on 17th place.
And if the majority of the government is still not corrupt, then corruption can (and should) be fought by the government.
#12 by Search111add on October 13th, 2010
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@ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz I would say that the difference between our ideologies is that I would give a man bread when he is in a situation in life where he can’t make that bread himself and then help him get a job, while you would just let the man lay in the ditch in the hopes that maybe he will get a job someday.
#13 by ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz on October 13th, 2010
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@Search111add corruption must be factored into everything to do with the govt because its so common, and who do we have out their to fight corruption?… the government… the difference between our two ideologies is that yours advocates giving a man bread for the rest of his life while mine advocates opening up the law to allow the man to make bread for himself.
#14 by Search111add on October 13th, 2010
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@ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz Corruption is a completely different matter, and is not a real reason to not let the government work with large amounts of money. Corruption can be fought and the poor can be helped.
And as I said, the rich will still have more then enough money to create jobs. And in the US the rich top 5% are so rich that even tho they do create some jobs, they aren’t creating enough jobs considering how much money they have.
#15 by Cakevspie94 on October 13th, 2010
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@pseudogenesis Well, the ratings are alittle fluffed. A majority of the people watching these vids are most likely nerdfighters, who will hit the thumbs up button in support. people who disagree are just haters
hope that makes since D:
#16 by ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz on October 13th, 2010
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@Search111add when you tax a rich guy to help a poor guy if we disregard it finding its way into some public sector boss’s back pocket, you are still taxing the very people who can best help the poor, and not through their own kindness, through their greed, a greedy rich man who wants to make more money will expand his enterprises and investment, creating more jobs and easing job competition, its the difference between giving a man food or giving him a foot on the job ladder
#17 by ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz on October 13th, 2010
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@Search111add thats assuming that the government is benevolent and selfless, the govt is just another group of people, and due to the fact that power attracts the power hungry, i’d say the average state employee is more self serving than the average person, a prime example being the expenses scandal in my home country – the UK back in 2009. theres a video that argues the point im making for me called “other peoples money” by milton freidman here on youtube.
#18 by Search111add on October 13th, 2010
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@ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz I would object and say that the government spends the money better to a limit. The rich don’t help the poor if they aren’t forced (I know forced sounds ugly), and the poor need to be helped for the nation to prosper. And the government won’t be taking all the money, in fact only a fraction of what they earn. But when a fraction of everyone’s money is taken, the end result is a great amount of money to be used for good. While the rich will still be able to make jobs.
#19 by WeedaPeople on October 13th, 2010
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illi: How could Republicans possibly have ruined things when Democrats either had control of the Congress or the Presidency or both during that timeframe? Before the last Bush administration, Republicans did not have control of both the Congress and Presidency for over 40 years. He may have been the director of the OMB, but like you, he does not understand history.
#20 by WeedaPeople on October 13th, 2010
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anci: It is not a right, it is a choice you are allowed to make with no law prohibiting it. That does not make it a “right”.
#21 by WeedaPeople on October 13th, 2010
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derz: Awesome…c-ya…
#22 by WeedaPeople on October 13th, 2010
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omki: People do pay taxes…and this Government still spends more than we pay. You are right, it should not be a controversy…people should be responsible for themselves and not depend on the Government…when they do, they end up like the people of New Orleans.
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Ask the people of New Orleans how their dependency on Government worked out for them.
#23 by WeedaPeople on October 13th, 2010
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licm: It is not “My” health care system. I did not create it, I do not administer it, and I have nothing to do with it…other than I use it like you do.
#24 by ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz on October 13th, 2010
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@Search111add but who spends the money better, the people making it or the government? the public sector does not create any wealth it only redistributes it, if you want a whole country to be better off the best thing you can do is just let people get on with things without the government sticking their noses in.
#25 by Search111add on October 13th, 2010
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@ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz No one thinks they have the right to other peoples money. They simply want the government to help them get health care. You might ask, is there a difference? Well you could try to think about it from a different angle: the people that “want other peoples money” also pay taxes, and if everyone pays more taxes to help everyone else, then the country as a whole will manage better.