Barack Obama and John McCain at Third Presidential Debate, October 15, 2008
McCain: Don't Give Me That "Health of the Mother" Crap
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#1 by jcvjcvjcvjcv on August 6th, 2010
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@eastariel
Yep, agree.
The big supermarkets here still throw away the goods that are about to expire. Or the nets of oranges with one rotten in them. The reason that it doesn’t go to the foodbanks is that then others will see rotten stuff combined with the supermarket logo, what results in a backlash against the supermarket ….
#2 by TheExecutiveDecision on August 6th, 2010
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@Frozen4pe What makes you think that life doesn’t start until the child exits the womb? A child in the womb has a heartbeat, a mind, instincts, reactions, all of the same things as a child after birth. There really is no way to claim that it is lifeless, just because it is in the womb. Second, I support mothers giving there child up for adoption if they cannot take the responsibility of raising it. Although I think most parents could support the child if they just tried.
#3 by Frozen4pe on August 6th, 2010
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@TheExecutiveDecision you seem to be all mixed up in your “beliefs”. Life does not start untill the baby leaves the whom so no one is murdering anyone, and please tell me how you support a mother having a baby that she cant support and then that baby being physicly and mentally traumatized because of what it will go through as an infant?
#4 by NeoTechUK on August 6th, 2010
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If a woman wants an abortion it has nothing to do with you me or anyone else other than the mother. Fact. End of story.
#5 by TheExecutiveDecision on August 6th, 2010
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@toczylde I understand that not everyone chooses to become pregnant. Most people do not choose most difficult situations in their lives. However it does not give anyone the right to destroy a baby. Freedom to choose especially in the case of choosing to murder is not a “moral” at all. I am pro-capital punishment. You reap what you sew. The big difference is they are dying because of what they have done as an individual, Infants are aborted for the careless actions of their parents.
#6 by TheExecutiveDecision on August 6th, 2010
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@got2brockin That would be a terrible situation, how ever it accounts for less than 0.05% of abortions. If a woman is raped, it is not tha poor childs fault how it was conceived. Don’t punish the child for the actions of its father. A woman should carry the child to term and put it up for adoption.
#7 by JonnyPxN on August 6th, 2010
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No one is PRO abortion. People who believe that abortion in some cases is justifiable are PRO CHOICE. Idiot.
#8 by eastariel on August 6th, 2010
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@jcvjcvjcvjcv Again, I don’t think government should be doing the support; I think the community should.
It’s easy for people to take and take from a giant, impersonal system; it’s more difficult to keep taking from your neighbors. Charity should be given on a personal and local level.
In my village, we have a wonderful food bank. Nobody goes hungry here.
#9 by eastariel on August 6th, 2010
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@jcvjcvjcvjcv Equality doesn’t mean taking from one person to give to another; it means that everyone has the freedom to pursue their individual missions in life. For some, that might mean inventing PCs and becoming a billionaire. For others, it might mean renouncing materialism and living in a grass hut. Equality means that billionaires don’t have more rights or even less than ghetto dwellers. In the eyes of the American justice system, nobody is above the law, and nobody is below it.
#10 by jcvjcvjcvjcv on August 6th, 2010
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@eastariel
It’s one thing to expect from society to support a mother with young kids whose husband just died.
It’s a completely other thing to expect support for a 40 year old single woman who decided to get a kid trough IVF treatment and a sperm donor.
And the latter is what government is doing.
#11 by jcvjcvjcvjcv on August 6th, 2010
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@eastariel
-I don’t live in the US-
Yes, the support of mothers and children is a basic function of every society. But this whole idea of equal outcome that is nothing but an attack on males is simply sick. Society is being bankrupted by democracy rule. Public schools are working to further bankrupt society; intellectually, morally and financially.
#12 by eastariel on August 6th, 2010
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@jcvjcvjcvjcv The government doesn’t get the money. The community does, with maybe some help from churches.
A lot of people expect the government to “love thy neighbor” for us. That’s not only vastly inefficient and highly expensive, but also kind of cold. We need to contribute as individuals and regain community in our neighborhoods to give our neighbors a hand-up, not a hand-out. I think volunteerism and charity work is a small price to pay for the freedom we enjoy in America.
#13 by jcvjcvjcvjcv on August 6th, 2010
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@eastariel
Let me just ask you: Where does the government get the money to subsidize low-income mothers?
More and more I get the idea that this whole idea of subsidizing low-income families to get babies is a way to get more votes for socialist parties.
#14 by eastariel on August 6th, 2010
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@jcvjcvjcvjcv This village spirit is the traditional Native American way that I know and love.
#15 by eastariel on August 6th, 2010
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@jcvjcvjcvjcv Hopefully, the dad is with his child, being a good father and providing financial support as best he can. Fathers need support and encouragement, too. The elders need to help these young fathers grow in personal responsibility with pride and without regrets.
#16 by johnnydarkly on August 6th, 2010
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Health of the mother is “a [sic] extreme pro-abortion position?” LMFAO
#17 by jcvjcvjcvjcv on August 6th, 2010
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@eastariel
Once you subsidze something, you get more of it. You want more new mothers without strong financial support? Where is the dad in this picture that you are painting?
#18 by MyChoiceNotUrs on August 6th, 2010
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@bunbun5877 trouble because you know no matter what you do it will always happen? yeah, it must suck to try and argue something even though you’ll never win.
#19 by bunbun5877 on August 6th, 2010
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@MyChoiceNotUrs Okay, well baboons can’t follow a logical argument, nor can they have a coherent conversation so I am going to have to end it here. No wonder I was having so much trouble with you…
#20 by eastariel on August 6th, 2010
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Unfortunately, religion can be very cruel sometimes. They don’t always follow Jesus Christ’s encouragement to “love one another as I have loved you.”
Maybe someday they’ll learn.
#21 by eastariel on August 6th, 2010
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@latonawar I agree that we need to give ALOT more support to new mothers, especially those without a strong financial and emotional support network. My pro-life stance is unconventional; it’s simply my own feeling that all life is sacred. Pregnant mothers are sacred, too, and should be treated as such, with respect and dignity.
I think kindness is a stabilizing factor. Cruelty inflicted on young women often destabilizes them, reducing their feelings of self-worth for themselves and their babies.
#22 by MyChoiceNotUrs on August 6th, 2010
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@bunbun5877 We are animals… Mammals. You’re retarded. and we have the ability to abort.
#23 by DEATH666COW on August 6th, 2010
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I love the word abortion. I like to use it in sentences. For example: “What an abortion this debate is.” or “Sara Palin was an abortion to John McCain’s campaign.”
#24 by latonawar on August 6th, 2010
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@eastariel I know that while pregnant women need help getting food and shelter and I think it’s important to find these things for her. Once the child is born there needs to be ALOT more support than pro-lifers are usually willing to provide and as a result in the east side as sickening as it is are left unattended, or occasionally put into prostitution as some of my friends growing up were by there parents/guardians. Often many of the people having abortions are unstable people.
#25 by eastariel on August 6th, 2010
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@latonawar I agree that chasing around women who are pregnant and threatening them is rude and cruel. I believe that many pregnant women are judged and criticized in their vulnerable position instead of supported.
What if pregnant women, no matter what their age, were sheltered, supported, encouraged, and congratulated instead? This is common decency and respect, but it can also help those 9 months go peacefully. Then at the end, they can adopt the baby to another family if they wish.